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The Great Debate @ Green Phoenix Festival 2010


Devonshire Building, Newcastle University, 20 - 22 August 2010

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Green Phoenix Festival
The Great Debate's Green Phoenix Festival programme of debates and talks was held 20 - 22 August 2010 in the Devonshire Building, Newcastle University, hosted by RCE North East. The event, the first of its kind, consisted of a full programme of debates and talks with activists, writers, academics and practitioners exploring a broad range of topics related to the themes: Securing our Future [SOF], Sustainable Culture [SC], Being Human in the 21st Century [BH21] & Pushing Limits [PL]. With over 30 speakers, 9 debates and 5 talks on a huge variety of topics our packed programme had something for everyone. So, if you feel like exercising your grey matter, and want to know more about the arguments then read on ...

Participants' comments     Timetable    Debate details     Sunday vox pops

in association with
OPAL North East Newcastle Institute for Research on Sustainability RCE North East

Timetable
(For full details click on debate title)

Friday, 20 August

11:00am - 11:30am

Refreshments and Welcome address

11:30am - 1:00pm

What is Sustainable Culture? debate
with Jonathan Dawson, Alex Hochuli & Clive Lord

  1.10pm - 1:50pm

Progress, Innovation and the Magician of the North, William Armstrong: talk by Henrietta Heald

  2:00pm - 3:30pm

Are we masters of our own destiny? debate
with Rita Carter, David Large & Jeremy Taylor

  3:45pm - 4:45pm

Why a Green Party - Its role in the transition to a sustainable future with Clive Lord, founder member of the Green Party

  5:00pm - 6:30pm

The Borders of Reality debate
with Irene D'Amico, Elise Jennings & Martin J. Ward

Saturday, 21 August

11:00am - 11:30am

Refreshments and Welcome address

11:30am - 1:00pm

Food and Water Security debate
with Tony Allan, John Gowing & Paul Quinn

  1.15pm - 1:45pm

Findhorn and the Global Ecovillage Network: talk by Jonathan Dawson

  2:00pm - 3:30pm

Energising Innovation debate
with Niel Bowerman, Kola Liadi Mudashiru & James Woudhuysen

  3:45pm - 4:45pm

Seeing the unseen, vision, imagination and truth; a conversation about Cosmology, Quantum Mechanics, and Physics in general with Richard Fong, Durham University

  5:00pm - 6:30pm

Limits to Imagination debate
with Andrew Calcutt & Jonathan Dawson

Sunday, 22 August
  Sponsored by OPAL North East and including the launch of the OPAL Water Survey

11:00am - 11:30am

Refreshments and Welcome address

11:30am - 1:00pm

The Legacy of Multiculturalism debate
with Suzy Dean, Diana Mavroleon, Amir Saeed & Oscar Watson

  1.15pm - 1:45pm

How Healthy is your pond or lake? talk by Chloe Booth, OPAL North East

  2:00pm - 3:30pm

Limits to Growth in 21st Century debate
with Daniel Ben-Ami, Richard Dyer & Phil O'Keefe

  4:00pm - 5:30pm

Limits to Freedom debate
with Suzy Dean, Alex Lockwood & David O’Toole

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Jim Lepingwell and Caspar Hewett on site with performers and horses

Participants' comments     Timetable    Debate details     Sunday vox pops

What is Sustainable Culture? [SC, PL]
11:30am, Friday, 20 August

What is Sustainable Culture? debate
In 1987 the United Nations World Commission on Environment and Development (WCED) published Our Common Future (AKA the Brundtland Report), introducing the now classic definition of sustainable development as “development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs.” Since then the term ‘sustainable’ has become increasingly common, being routinely applied to everything from housing to jobs, economics to culture. Has the term lost its meaning in the process or does this change represent a real paradigm shift? What role does Everyman play in this story? Can we, as communities and societies, create a culture of sustainability? Or have we already moved into the era of sustainable culture? Does this take use towards a better future or does it trap us in the present? Does this encourage us to accept limits or does it help us to push against them? What role do imagination and innovation play in this story?
with
Jonathan Dawson, Findhorn Eco-Village
Alex Hochuli, writer, member of Battle of Ideas festival committee, researcher in ethical consumerism
Clive Lord, founder member of the Green Party
Chair: Jon Bryan

What is Sustainable Culture? proceedings by Caspar Hewett

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Are we masters of our own destiny? [BH21]
2pm, Friday, 20 August

For two hundred years the idea of the subject has had a central place in Western thought about the special nature of humanity. This is a description of human as active beings doing things for reasons and shaping the world to their own ends. Yet, in recent years, fields as diverse as neuroscience, literary criticism and Evolutionary Psychology have converged on a very different vision of what we are. We are now invited to think of humans as machines; zombies experiencing the illusion of choice and intentionality. Why is this? Does this reflect a new understanding of what we really are or are these interpretations more to do with the way we view ourselves today? Is this scientistic view of what we are closer to reality than our lived experience or are we truly masters of our own destiny?
with
Rita Carter, author The Brain Book, Consciousness, Mapping the Mind
David Large, freelance philosopher, founder member of Newcastle Philosophy Society
Jeremy Taylor, author Not a Chimp
Chair: Caspar Hewett

Click here for review of "Are we masters of our own destiny?" by Jeremy Taylor

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The Borders of Reality [PL]
5pm, Friday, 20 August

Quanta
Reality or myth: a Shaolin monk can live for nine days without food, water or sleep; a particle could be in one place at one instant and at another on the other side of the galaxy the next; the power of the mind can cure the most aggressive cancer? Sometimes the real world can be more incredible than the stuff of fairy tales. Quantum physics tells us that there is no distinction between a wave and a particle and that it is impossible to know speed and position at the same time. Modern telescopes show us the past, enabling us to see the right back to the birth of the Universe. Medical science tells us that placebos can be as effective as established drugs. So how do we decide what is possible and what is not? Could things that we think of as fantasy actually be part of a bizarre reality? Is it time to reassess what we call magic? Anyone for Quidditch?
with
Irene D'Amico, quantum physicist, University of York
Elise Jennings, University of Durham
Martin J. Ward, Extragalactic Astronomy and Cosmology Group, Department of Physics, University of Durham
Chair: David Large

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Food and Water Security [SOF, PL]
11:30am, Saturday, 21 August

Windmill
The threat that the changing climate poses to people's access to drinking water and to agriculture is one that needs to be taken seriously. This raises questions about how much we know about what those changes might be and how we should respond to them. How much do they affect us here in the developed world? What do they mean for people in the developing world? Does the transition movement have the right idea in focusing on reducing fossil fuel use and drastically reducing carbon emissions? Should we move towards community agriculture or expand intensive farming? Should we concentrate on how to provide everyone with food and water now and in the future or should we accept that there are too many people on the planet today as some commentators have argued? What legacy do we want and expect future generations to inherit in terms of food and water security? with
Tony Allan, 2008 Stockholm Water Prize Laureate, founder of London University's Water Issues Group
John Gowing, Reader in Agricultural Water Management, Newcastle University
Paul Quinn, Senior Lecturer in Catchment Hydrology, Newcastle University
Chair: Caspar Hewett

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Energising Innovation [SOF, SC, PL]
2pm, Saturday, 21 August

Windmill
In the context of climate change and peak oil the discussion of energy provision is focused on moving away from reliance on fossil fuels. Renewables such as solar, wind and wave power will clearly be part of the picture, but how reliable are they and how much of our energy requirements can they provide? Nuclear power has a new found popularity, yet there is still the problem of what to do with the waste. So what can we expect over the next few decades? Are we going to see any real change in the way we supply and use energy? What sort of innovative thinking could take us beyond where we are today? Is there a new paradigm waiting around the corner?
with
Niel Bowerman, co-founder and former Executive Director, Climatico, co-founder, The Climate Justice Project
Kola Liadi Mudashiru, Research Associate in the clean use of fossil fuels, Sir Joseph Swan Institute for Energy Research
James Woudhuysen, visiting Professor of Forecasting and Innovation, De Montfort University, author, Energise!: A Future for Energy Innovation
Chair: Dave O'Toole

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Limits to Imagination [PL]
5pm, Saturday, 21 August

Limits to Imagination
Since the dawn of time the imagination has played a huge role in improving the human condition, from great literature to the way we use resources to inventing new ways to organise society, always taking us beyond where we are now. So, just how powerful is the imagination? What can we learn from other cultures about its potential? How much does it affect our reality? In an age in which education has been redefined as job and skills training are we at risk of stifling our imagination? How can we reinvigorate the imagination to ensure that the future is better than the present?
with
Andrew Calcutt, University of East London
Jonathan Dawson, Story teller
Chair: Mo Lovatt

Timetable    Friday     Saturday     Sunday


The Legacy of Multiculturalism [BH21]
11:30am, Sunday, 22 August

The idea of multiculturalism first emerged in the 1970s, emphasising and celebrating cultural differences as a counter to racist ideas, and replacing the notion of race with ethnicity. Its advocates argue for the acceptance of multiple ethnic cultures, and advocate extending equitable status to distinct ethnic and religious groups without promoting any one set of values. Is this a form of relativism that undermines the possibility of finding universal values? How does the celebration of difference square with the idea of equality? Has multiculturalism brought people together or driven them apart? What is the legacy of multiculturalism?
with
Suzy Dean, journalist, researcher and writer on democracy, multiculturalism and cities
Diana Mavroleon, film-maker, producer-presenter, Resonance fm, contributor, Confluence Magazine
Amir Saeed, Centre for Research in Media and Cultural Studies, University of Sunderland
Oscar Watson, Director, Intercultural Arts
Chair: Mo Lovatt

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Limits to Growth in 21st Century [PL]
2pm, Sunday, 22 August

The 1972 Club of Rome report The Limits to Growth warned that oil was running out and that more generally the resources we use were going to become increasingly scarce. Nearly forty years later many of the projections in this ground breaking report have proved greatly exaggerated yet the sense that limited resources represent one of the most important challenges to humanity is stronger than ever. Today the term ‘unfettered growth’ is often used with disdain, and those who argue for continued growth are accused of encouraging greed, damaging the environment and widening social inequalities. So, what are the limits to growth that we face today? Are they social or natural? Should we accept them or attempt to transcend them? What sort of world do we want for present and future generations? Video of proceedings
with
Daniel Ben-Ami, author Cowardly Capitalism, Ferraris for All: In Defence of Economic Progress
Richard Dyer, Transport and Climate Campaigner, Friends of the Earth
Phil O'Keefe, Professor of Economic Development and Environmental Management, University of Northumbria
Chair: Dave O'Toole

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Limits to Freedom [PL]
4pm, Sunday, 22 August

How important is the idea of freedom in our time? The last few decades have seen an unprecedented attack on our individual and collective liberty, from limits on our right to party through to the loss of the right to silence. Today’s politics even sets out to limit what we think through controls on language and restrictions on what ideas we can be exposed to. Yet there is little real discussion about what freedom is and why we should defend it. Is freedom just the right to be left alone? Is it primarily about formal rights, or lived experience? What about competing freedoms such as the right to free speech versus the right to not be offended? Why does freedom matter anyway? What limits to freedom is it reasonable to accept?
with
Suzy Dean, journalist, researcher and writer on democracy, multiculturalism and cities
Alex Lockwood, University of Sunderland, specialist in practice and theory of green journalism
David O’Toole, The Great Debate
Chair: Caspar Hewett

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This programme is part of thegreatnortherndebate project, ratified by the United Nations University Institute of Advanced Studies as a Regional Centre of Expertise in Education for Sustainable Development project. The Green Phoenix festival itself is the first festival of its kind in the UK to be ratified by RCE North East.

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Comments on The Great Debate Green Phoenix festival programme

Virtual water and footprints: down from five to two point five

“I have been invited to speak on two occasions at the Great Debate in 2010. Both were very lively and deeply engaged affairs. It was evident that the ideas were new on issues which everyone has some awareness and strong opinions. My point was to show that our awareness is almost always incomplete and not very useful in shaping personal consumption. Everyone got the message that the food we eat each day has a lot of water embedded in it. And that what we eat has an impact on the consumption of water. Someone who eats a lot of grain fed-beef has a water footprint of 5.0 cubic metres per day. A veggie only consumes 2.5 cubic metres per day.

“It was clear that everyone was listening and this was confirmed by the questions which more than filled the time for debate. It was good to see how the ideas – often uncomfortable – were received.”

Tony Allan, 2008 Stockholm Water Prize Laureate, founder of London University's Water Issues Group

“It was indeed a great debate. My experience of the Great British Public is that only ¼ 'buy' the climate change/sustainability paradigm (up from less than 10% 35 years ago), but embedded in the other ¾ are 10% who actively oppose it. It was therefore a shock to meet so many articulate opponents, among the attenders, not just the hand-picked speakers. Very good to be put on the spot. Each of us see ourselves as the under-dog. They feel that steady state is the new orthodoxy, we on our side think that is barely skin deep, and that the pro-growthers still represent the status quo. To be continued?”

Clive Lord, Founder Member, Green Party

“Taking part in the Great Debate is always a deeply challenging personal experience. This time was no different. I had not thought enough about issues of freedom and choice in the past year, as one tends to do when work and life are so full. The Great Debate offers valuable time to step out of the day-to-day and really think about significant issues that affect our cultures and societies, issues we often barely give a second thought. So I thank The Great Debate Team and the sponsors and supporters, especially RCE North East, for the opportunity to do just this.

“All the debates I attended, including the one I took part in on the Limits to Freedom, were stimulating, open and fair. People gave of themselves freely and unselfishly in their opinions and their willingness to listen to those of others, despite the essential tensions that such debates generate. It is, however, the tension between authority and freedom that I think is the most important thing The Great Debate allows us to discuss, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to say a few things on the subject, as unimportant as my single voice may be.”

Alex Lockwood, University of Sunderland

“The Great Debate is a wonderful opportunity for the Renaissance man within us all. It provides an open platform for discussion on a wide range of subjects touching on human nature and society and on our perception of and, indeed, our connection with the Universe we find ourselves in. It can throw light on the power of understanding and imagination. A friendly meeting of minds, nourished by the invited speakers, specialists in their own fields and themselves forced by the debate to answer to the bigger picture! Attendees cannot but help feel that they have been given a mental workout and feeling all the more alive, stimulated and aware because of it.”

Dr. Richard Fong, University of Durham

“A really stimulating event that asked the participants to dig deep, to question their deepest assumptions and to think outside of the box – all in an atmosphere of relaxed conviviality.

“Festivals of ideas are something we need more of – thanks for showing the way.”

Jonathan Dawson, story teller, Findhorn Eco-Village

“I welcome debates like the one on Limits to Economic Growth. They enable a wide variety of people to engage in the really big issues that affect us all.

“There was clearly a wide variety of ages and a big diversity of views represented in the audience, which can only be a good thing”

Richard Dyer, Friends of the Earth

“It was a privilege to take part in the recent RCE sponsored debate “The Legacy of Multiculturalism”. The panel invited were clearly passionate about the issues and the debate with the audience was stimulating and challenging. The event itself was run a professional but open manner. Such events can only enhance the reputation of all partners and people involved. Given the current socio-political climate these events are all the more necessary for people to engage and debate new ideas.”

Amir Saeed, University of Sunderland

“I had great fun participating in the Great Debates both at the European Geosciences Union in Vienna, and in Newcastle, sponsored by RCE Northeast. The debates were lively and thought-provoking, and though I came with an intention of persuading others, the audience caused me to think twice about a few issues.

“The debates use lots of audience participation, which helps ensure that the trickiest issues don't get ignored. I would recommend for everyone to go along and engage with the biggest questions for our generation.”

Niel Bowerman, co-founder and former Executive Director, Climatico, co-founder, The Climate Justice Project

“I agreed to do this date, long in advance of knowing that it exactly coincided with Newcastle United’s first home game of the season. The Regional Centre of Expertise (RCE) in Education for Sustainable Development has a long and distinguished history of establishing platforms for debating world futures in the context of North East England. But a commitment is a commitment, even if, as I arrived, I could hear the St. James crowd in the background minus my voice.

“But what a crowd for The Great Debate Green Phoenix Festival. Long balls from the environmentalists, short stabs from the growth merchants, bewildered social dreamers in the middle. A crowd that was incisive and knowing with a range of experience that exceeded that of the formal speakers. What kind of growth? What was the role of finance capital? Was decoupling economic growth from resource use necessarily the road to a bleak future? The interchanges were swift and sure and I admired again the quality of intellectual exchange that is possible in Newcastle.

“Newcastle won 6-0: RCE won by a rugby margin, 25-0.”

Phil O'Keefe, Professor of Economic Development and Environmental Management, Northumbria University

“I first came upon 'The Great Debate' a couple of years ago when a friend told me about an event called 'Agents of Change?: Darwinian Thought and Theories of Human Nature'. A fairly new arrival in the North East, I had up to this point been rather disappointed by the excessively scientific edge to the public debates I had attended up to this point. Science is, after all, what we do best in the North East apparently! I was thus pleasantly surprised to find a mix of philosophers, scientists, engineers and academics approaching the debates from a variety of angles. I remember leaving the event with my head buzzing and some of my more concretely held assumptions about human nature deeply challenged. Having been to a number of other events held by 'The Great Debate' since then, I have always been impressed by the range of topics covered (from quantum physics to multiculturalism; from biodiversity to economic growth), the quality of the speakers and the unfailingly warm and friendly atmosphere that encourages audience members to contribute to the debates.”

Anthony Morgan

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The Open Air Laboratories (OPAL) Network

How healthy is your local pond or lake? The creatures that live there can give important clues about the water quality

OPAL North East
OPAL North East is based at the University of Newcastle and is part of the Open Air Laboratories network, an England-wide project funded by the Big Lottery Fund. OPAL aims to create a new generation of nature lovers by encouraging people to explore, study and protect their local environment.

Big Lottery Fund
OPAL has launched its national Water Survey and we want everybody to get involved! Creatures living in the water can tell us a great deal about how polluted the habitat may be. By telling us what life you see in your local pond you’ll discover more about the water's health and contribute to valuable scientific research.

Water survey packs and further information on how to take part will be available at the OPAL stand. You can also visit our website.

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Devonshire Building

Devonshire Building

Location Map - Devonshire Building, Devonshire Terrace
Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne
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