The Great Debate: Is Anti-Americanism Xenophobic?
reports on the proceedings of a discussion held at Newcastle Playhouse
Event convened by Mo Lovatt
Organised in association with
The Ashton Group and
Thanks to Annie Rigby
for writing the notes on which these proceedings are based.
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Chair Caspar Hewett
Rachel Ashton, Director, Lockerbie 103
Jon Bryan, Lecturer in Sociology, Newcastle College
Des Dillon, writer of Lockerbie 103
Ian Ferguson, journalist and co-author of
Cover up of Convenience: The Hidden Scandal of Lockerbie
Doug Henderson, MP
Peter Hetherington, Regional Affairs Editor, The Guardian
As part of Northern Stage's Colour season, this event looked at the impact of US and
British foreign policies and at attitudes towards the impending war.
On February 15th 2003 approximately a million people marched to Hyde
Park in London, joining millions around the world in showing their opposition to an attack on
Iraq. Yet it is unclear what this means. Does it represent a new pacificism or anti-Imperialism,
or is it simply fueled by anti-American sentiment?
Following the opening of Lockerbie 103 on 5th March 2003 at The Gulbenkian Studio,
Newcastle upon Tyne, this discussion looked at these questions and at issues raised by the play.
The chair, Caspar Hewett opened the proceedings by
introducing the panel and by outlining the subject of the discussion; issues
raised by the play Lockerbie 103 and, more generally, attitudes towards the
The first speaker, Jon Bryan, began by looking at the
advertising information for the discussion which asked "Who are we most afraid
of - Terrorists? Iraq? The US Government? The Axis of Evil? British
politicians?" He pointed out that the question is very leading in that it
encourages us to look at the relative risks associated with each of these, but
obscures the fact that there is a hidden assumption underlying the question -
one that assumes we should be afraid of all these things. Bryan did not think
that it is about weighing one risk against another. As a sociologist Bryan is
more interested in why a question like this is being asked at all. He sees it
as a sign of our times, reflecting a mood in society which focuses on people's
insecurities, a mood described by some writers as a 'culture of fear'.
Bryan suggested that we should question whether the statement that the British
Public are against attacking Iraq is true. He thinks it probably is, but that
the reasons that people are against the war are many and varied; some are
pacifists, some anti-imperialists, some anti-Bush and so on. Having been on the
anti-war demonstration in London in February Bryan found that the people
attending had a strikingly wide variety of perspectives and it was clear that
the march did not represent a coherent anti-war movement in the way it might
have in the past. There was a touch of anti-Americanism - but perhaps not an
open anti-Americanism. Bryan drew attention to the way George W. Bush is often
presented as being stupid, simplistic and trying to show his dad what he can do.
There is underlying all of this an anti-American attitude. Whether we like it
or not, Bush was elected by the American people, and Bryan expressed concerned
that when people joke about Bush, they are really having a go at Americans in
In closing Bryan stated that he is against the war in Iraq because he has seen
the evidence of the harm wars cause. The war in 1991 did nothing to help the
people of Iraq and he is unconvinced that we should simply "forget our history"
and allow yet more barbarity to take place - and that is the only way to
describe it. Any war in Iraq will be over quite quickly because of the amount
of devastating firepower that the US and Britain are able to unleash and Bryan
is not prepared to support that.
Ian Ferguson opened with the comment that George Bush Sr. once described Saddam
Hussein as "our kind of guy" yet now Saddam has fallen within America's
'terrorist of the month' category, alongside Osama bin Laden. He argued that the
link between them is very tenuous. Ferguson sees a theme running through the
Lockerbie investigation; that of expediency. Implicating Libya at the time was
an easy target, while they are the equivalent of Albion Rovers in terms of their
Doug Henderson congratulated Rachel Ashton and Des Dillon on
the play. He went on to point out that the USA suffers from great isolationism,
and that that is the audience that George W. Bush addresses himself to. However
opinion on the war in USA is also split. Henderson is very opposed to USA
unilateralism - He sees the US as imperialistic. For Henderson, Iraq is not a
threat, and the motivating force is oil. He argued that Britain should not get
tied into this.
Peter Hetherington felt that Lockerbie 103 has a deep resonance today. On 10th
anniversary of Lockerbie he spoke to Father Jack Keegans, who lived near the
crash site who said "Don't forget British airbases were used to raid Libya.
Hundreds lost their lives . . . Iranian airbus . . . I don't have faith in
government, just in humanity." Another person who lived near the crash site said
the last thing he wanted was retribution. Hetherington expressed a fear that the
approaching conflict could become a third World War. He pointed out that the
people of Lockerbie, and those who have been involved in war, are those who are
most cautious about it. It is very easy to start a war and very hard to stop
one. To go to war now without support, or the legal mandate of the UN risks
Caspar Hewett called for questions and points from the floor.
There was a representative of the families affected by Lockerbie present who
asked, given that Jack Straw had turned down the demand for a public enquiry,
what should be done next in terms of the campaign for a public enquiry.
Ian Ferguson felt that it is reprehensible that the Labour government has not
pursued a public enquiry. The conclusions of investigation into Lockerbie left
us with more questions than answers. The trial left us feeling cheated, as there
was no defence and no explanation. Nine days before PanAm 103 flew, there was
one seat left on the flight, but by the time it flew it was only two-thirds
full. Were people given warnings? And more importantly, why has this information
been restricted for reasons of 'national security'?
Doug Henderson thought that there is no substitute for campaigners continually
raising the issue. Plays like Lockerbie 103 give prominence to the issue. The
comedy in the play helps to reinforce the seriousness of the matter.
Peter Hetherington also thought it scandalous that there has not been a public
inquiry. The governments involved should be embarrassed by the façade of
One member of the audience asked whether the mute character in the play was
there to make a point about the complicity of language in miscarriages of
Des Dillon said that the mute character is indeed a metaphor
for the way Fahima and Magrahi were not allowed to speak. As the character Ali
says "I am a man with a barrel of apples, who can't get into the market."
Rachel Ashton added that the attack on the mute at the end of
the play is intyended to raise the question of evidence. The viewer is
encouraged to believe that there is a pervert at large because of trust in the
character Annie. But she gets it wrong. She is part of the culture of fear. The
mute's best friend, Tommy, also cannot protect him as he has been damaged by
what he saw at Lockerbie. Everybody blames Tommy, but he is also a victim.
There was a question from the floor on how many people were
on the flight. Ian Ferguson said that the flight was a third empty, which is
absurd before Christmas. This information was withheld for some time on the
grounds of national security. Ferguson questioned why should it be a matter of
national security. Reporters have been blocked again and again in trying to get
hold of these facts and it is unclear why.
The panel were asked if they thought politicians could stop
the impending war.
Ferguson expressed trust in individual politicians,
especially those who have stood up to Tony Blair. But he felt that, with the
wheels in motion, Blair and Bush would not and could not stand down. He does not
trust the machinery of politics to stop it. Doug Henderson was also sure that
the war would happen, and felt that this was clear as long as six months ago. It
is more a case of how we get to that point. The Turkish decision whether to let
troops use their soil could only delay things, probably by as little as two
weeks. Henderson argued that people have to make their voices heard for the
politicians to react, but this now needs to be on a global scale. He saw a lot
of instability ahead.
Peter Hetherington recognised public hostility with regard to
the war, as people do not believe what they are being told. Their intelligence
is being insulted. Hetherington pointed out that Britain follows the USA very
closely, yet the US have already shown their lack of support for Britain on
issues from farm subsidies to environmental policy. He questioned why we fear
the USA turning against us, when they already have.
Bryan drew attention to the way that, during the 1991 Gulf
War, there was a hairdresser in Newcastle which displayed a sign "No Iraqis
here." This point to he way war can become an expression of racism. Bryan stated
that all too often anti-war people become pro-war when they are asked which side
they are on.
The chair asked for two final points or questions from the
floor, after which the speakers would be asked to respond and make closing
One audience member felt it curious that there is a debate
about whether there would be a war, because in fact we already are; Sanctions
are an act of war. The USA already bombs Iraq for "aggressive acts", when all
they have done is swept them with their radar. The current escalation of
conflict is not so much the start of a war as the end of one.
Another member of the audience stated that the point that is
little accepted is the lack of a link between Iraq and Al-Quaida and asked the
panel what they thought Middle-America's view on this is.
Peter Hetherington sees America as an insular country with a
population that tends to believe what it is told. There is no proven link
between Iraq and Al-Quaida, but to state that there is has become a safety valve
for the forces, as they have been unable to find Osama Bin Laden. They feel they
must hit out at something, and USA is convinced of its righteousness in doing
so. However, Peter Hetherington reminded the audience that opinion in USA is
also split; 40% are opposed to war according to one poll, but this opposition is
suppressed. He finished by commenting that brute force never tackles
Doug Henderson pointed to Donald Rumsfeld's statement that
one reason for the attack on Iraq was links with Al-Quaida. When told this was
untrue Rumsfeld's response was that one or two people involved were based in
Iraq. However this is in the 'cover' area - an area not controlled by Saddam
Ian Ferguson stated that he lives in France, is married to an
American, and used to live in the USA. America is such a big country, and many
people feel quite removed from Washington. They are concerned about their own
doorstep. The media feeds the American people nonsense. George W Bush may not
know the capital of the Czech Republic, but this is because he does not need to.
The USA has a huge military stock, and the need to use it. The price of the
warheads is suppressed. The mentality says, "Watch out 'they' are going to get
Jon Bryan said that he likes to think that some Americans are
against the war. It is hope for the future. After the Cold War America has
looked for another bogeyman'. That is the frightening attitude.
Caspar Hewett closed the proceedings by thanking the panel,
The Ashton Group and Northern Stage for supporting the event and Mo Lovatt for
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